Since the WX-78 rework, Wickerbottom's book "The End is Nigh" (hereafter will be abbreviated as "tein") has fallen somewhat out of favor for a number of reasons, namely:

* WX-78 now gains charge naturally over time for free, a full charge takes 9 minutes (1 in-game day & 1 minute)
* Because tein summons 17 bolts of lightning for each of its 5 uses and WX-78's maximum charge now only requires 6, 11 bolts are "wasted" and needlessly drains WX-78's sanity (unless that is something they want)
* Winona's G.E.M.erator can charge WX-78 using any gem for a nearly full charge without the need of a shadow manipulator or insulating clothing for Wickerbottom
* Winona's Nitre Generator can charge WX-78 at the cost 2 nitre for each charge. Since the nitre generator starts with a full charge when built and drops a nitre & tape when destroyed, WX-78 can drain the generator while Winona hammers & rebuilds it to halve the nitre cost from 12 to 6 for a full charge
* Even though tein can be used to charge multiple WX-78 at once, the lightning bolts will be unpredictable and might leave one of the robot's electrical thirst unquenched

On the contrary, tein still has some benefits over other methods:

* Tein will guarantee the full charge of a single WX-78. If they want to drop sanity, then this is a welcome side effect
* Technically, WX-78 can equip insulating clothing mid-lightning once their charge meter is filled to avoid further loss of sanity
* 1 Red gem for 85 bolts of lightning is pretty economical when compared to the G.E.M.erator
* Maxwell can read Tein in place of Wickerbottom

With the rework, WX-78 also gained the ability to tap electricity from charged lightning rods (albeit not lightning conductors for sails).
Even though a single lightning rod can catch every bolt of lightning summoned from tein, WX-78 can only ever gain 1 charge from a lightning rod. A charged rod will hold its charge for around 22 minutes (3 & 3/4 days).
This left me wondering if it would be possible to capitalize on tein by building a lightning rod array to catch as many separate lightning bolts as possible (at a reasonable resource cost).

[TEST#1]

I initially built a compact array of 16 lightning rods in a 4x4 square, standing in the middle when reading tein. I chose to use 16 rods, even though each use of tein summons 17 bolts since they are bound to strike at least one of the rods multiple times. There's also more room for more simple symmetrical designs using 16 rather than 17.
Building more rods will, naturally, be more expensive. Of course, one could cover their screen with rods and likely catch every separate bolt, but I was looking for a more viable option. (16 rods = 64 gold nuggets and 48 rocks).

After the first test, lightning only struck 9 out of 16 rods, which wasn't ideal.
However, I noticed something peculiar about the lightning strikes that I had never realized before.

Unlike what I had stated in the beginning of this post in underlined text, the lightning strikes from tein were actually predictable (at least when it comes to lightning rods). They were "wandering" around the array of rods in a counter-clockwise motion.

[TEST#2]

Using what I had learned from the previous test, I decided to try a circular array without any rods in the middle (several times).

A few points of interest from this result:

* The bolts always moved in the same direction and never went back on themselves
* The bolts would in most cases get into a rhythm of striking every other rod, leaving roughly half of the rods charged/uncharged
* The bolts would always start south-west of the player and make 2 perfect laps around the rods by the end of the 17th bolt

[TEST#3]

In an attempt to solve the problem of "every other rod struck", I came up with the idea of taking every other rod from the circle and making another smaller internal circle; 2 circles of 8 rods each.
I hypothesize that since the game always seems to prioritize making 2 laps around the rods, each lap will consist of half of the 17 strikes: 8.5 strikes per lap, or rather, 8 strikes in one lap, 9 in the other.
This could be put into the following perspective: the first lap guarantees 8 or 9 charged rods, the second lap has a 50% chance of striking each of every remaining uncharged rod.
  

In this third and final test, only 1 rod was left uncharged in my luckiest attempt. Granted, it still falls down to a dice roll as I have had the worst, albeit rare, outcome be 6 uncharged rods even in this layout, but this is still undoubtedly the most successful iteration I have yet to come up with.

In conclusion, this has been an analysis and experiment with the goal of making as much use of tein as possible in its current state. I am fully aware that all of this is a very niche and whimsical take on a single game mechanic that may well become outdated by the time Wickerbottom's rework arrives.
My hope is that this research of mine might enlighten and inspire those with chests full of gold to make creations of their own. Thanks for reading!

我喜欢蜻蜓，所以我希望它有一个背景故事，And I wish klei can make many and wonderful stories whose big bosses.maybe my English is very bad.

Wilson is the only one out of the 18 survivors to not have amazing power, this cause a power dynamic in the survivors group, I wonder how would that affects the group relationship after the rework Wilson might get new amazing power but until then I would like Wilson quotes to mention power dynamic or atleast show us this problem in Wilson rework short.

I am looking for maps that you can actually use giant tree canopies on, since unfortunately the vast majority of maps do not generate with holes so you are usually forced to plant big trees along a river.

I recently had a fascination with Maxwell and his abilities, I kinda liked the idea of playing as a previous "puppet master" or "king of shadows", but im... not feeling that as much? 

Now for the most part, I like the shadows, its nice to have the loggers and the diggers for production of logs, and if you do it long enough the acquisition of living logs, and infinite mining is pretty useful. My only issue with that is the fact that for a puppet master, he does not exert that much "control" over his puppets, if feels like wendy is better at being a puppet master then him at times purely because of the methods of control she can exert. 

Ghost sister getting overwhelmed? Vacuum her back into the flower. Need your ghost sister to help you out in a more pro active manor, Rile her up.

Now with the shadows, I kinda got used to it, because there isn't really another option, but the duelist... good lord I can't find a actual use for them.

Is there anyone who has actually been able to use them for anything combat related? I had used them to get rid of cookie cutters in the past but that is about it, they have pig AI it feels like but not pig health so they are not even good distractions at times, they feel like a waste of 2 nightmare fuel and a spear at the moment.

If anyone has any use for the duelist I would love to know, I am patiently waiting for the rework, especially considering the fact that wicker would be more likely to show before max, what with the state of the books and what not.   

Please note: I did not start playing until after the first bug fix for the update was released. I've started two separate worlds as WX-78. In both worlds I run across more dead survivors than I do as other characters. And one of the first few always seem to have a rabbit trap and rope. I haven't messed with the settings either. This might just be a coincidence, a very lucky one, but I was wondering if anyone else has started a new world as WX since the refresh and has had this happen?

Hello forum .

The reason im asking this is geniune curiosity, i want to now the popular opinion of who's the best character to rush bee queen.

We all know bee queen is one of the most "harder" bosses to dealt with cause you pretty much have to tank a lot in almost every strat so im trying to figure out who's the best survivor to do this.

But right now i want to have some fun too, so im gonna turn this into a challenge to you all!

Allow me to explain the rules to participe in this if you wanna to:

1. First let's define what's a rush, a rush its when you do something in a videogame as fast as you can but in this case im only gonna consider a rush if this happens before day 10, so this means for me its only a rush if you kill bee queen in the first 10 days.
2. You can't use mods of any kind.
3. You can't use exploits, to be honest i actually consider exploits a valid strat but the true is exploits can be patched anytime so just for this time im not gonna allow exploit strats(yeah im talking about the wendy boat strat).
4. You have to explain your strat in great detail.

Well now im gonna start with my own strat

Im claimed it righ here Winona is the best bee queen rusher and if you dont agree then prove me wrong!

My strat: First i have to say that my best record is day 6 in a pub but cause this is not much consistent im gonna choose the day 7 as my perfect day to rush bee queen. Also im pretty sure a better winona player can do this in day 5 but righ now since im taking a break from the game i can't achieve this myself. :P 

What do you need? 4 1/2 (four and a half) stacks of rocks. 14 trusty tapes. 36 twigs. 4 logs. 42 nitre(maybe less). 2-4 football helmets. some healing items(5-10 butterfly wings, 2-7 spider glands) and maybe some cobblestone.

How to do it? Your are gonna put a set of two generators each with 6 catapults in the road near the bee queen(in case theres no road near bee queen you are gonna use the cobble stone you find inside mosaic biome) and then you only have to do 3 things. First you need to keep the aggro of bee queen you can do this by kitting some of her hits using the extra speed of the road or hitting some grumble bees. Second you have to refuel the generators with nitre every time you see they are low of fuel. And the last thing you have to do its avoid damage as much as you can, this is not a tank strat you need to be carefull and not let the queen hit you a lot.

Now the reason why i think this strat is the best to rush bee queen its cause is really safe and clean, you dont need to tank a lot and its a reusable strat, you can even change the generators to gemerators later in your gameplay and you can pull this pretty early in the game.

And as i said before i want to discuss this and even try some of the strats that you all can put here, thats all, thanks for reading. 

I thought Klei could use a reminder of how much we appreciate their hard work by listing some of the things we love about their games, because whenever there is a new update or rework or whatever, there's bound to be some people with very *Strong* opinions, and that's fine, but overall I feel it ,might be a bit discouraging to the developers working hard to make all this content. 

With that said, I'll start by saying I love Don't Starve Together, and it is made so much better by the constant changes, updates, reworks, and new skins that keep  the game feeling fresh and new. Every time I take a break for a bit, there's a new main menu hyping me up for some new content, and sometimes offering a free skin when I log in! It's very hard to find a game that gets updates monthly, and with this amount of quality in each one. Great job klei! Another thing I love as a console player is that the updates come out within the same DAY as on pc! Take terraria, for example, where Journey's End took about a Year, and the DST crossover took 4 months. When it takes that long for the update to arrive, you're bound to accidentally see some spoilers, which is no fun.

And lastly, because I need to leave some stuff for other people to be grateful about, I absolutely loved the Wx rework. He's my favourite character and my main world is day 1000+ as him. I was really hoping the rework would be good, and not make me like the character less, and you guys certainly delivered! Before, he was just high stats and slightly peeved by rain. Now, rain is devastating and you can build a class of your choosing uing the circuits, which at times can be tough to get because Jimmy refuses to go scan it without you keeping close, but it makes it challenging enough to get the better upgrades.

Outstanding work Klei, and I dread the day Don't Starve Together stops receiving amazing updates!

Let's play - Opinions on Wickerbottom - Episode 1: This characters perks are good

Wickerbottom's perks are really good. Especially starting with Tier 1 science. First of all, being able to craft a backpack at the start of the game is possibly the best possible thing known to man, and it also saves resources by not having to craft a science machine to make an alchemy engine, and anything that saves on chopping trees is a good thing in my eyes. It does get kind of useless later in the game, but her second perk makes up for that.

Her second perk, being able to make books, more than makes up for the first perk's uselessness in mid/lategame. She also starts with 2 papyrus, which is exactly enough to make a book if you have the other materials necessary. All of her books consume sanity to use, but we'll get to that later.

The End is Nigh! is a book that Which summons lightning and used to be an insane combo with WX78, but that mechanic doesn't exist anymore so there aren't that many uses for the book anymore.

Horticulture Abridged will grow all the crops in your farm,but you need a one man band in order to talk to them and keep them happy. Wormwood in bloom might also work, but you're never going to find both a Wicker and a wormwood in the same lobby, especially not a public servers. Pretty sure this also grows berry bushes.

Applied Silvaculture (probably butchered the name) grows everything else, from twigs, to grass, to trees.

Applied Horticulture was the farming book from before the reap what you sow update, and it grew everything. Trees, farm plot crops, berry bushes, grass and twigs, probably the best book she had at the time. Don't get me wrong, Silvaculture and Abridged Horticulture are still good books, but the original horticulture was the best non combo book at her disposal.

Sleepytime Stories sends mobs around you to sleep. It also works on players in PvP, making her S tier there, but no one plays PvP so who cares. It is most commonly used in combination with

Birds of the World summons birds near you. That's really it. Crows and either Redbirds or Snowbirds. Maybe even the yellow birds that I forgot the name of and refuse to look up. Probably summons Puffins in the water. The most common use for this book is to summon the birds, send em to sleep, and farm naughtiness points to grind out Krampus sacks. I cannot think of another use for this, it's literally just birds.

On Tentacles is another summoning book, and it summons a bunch of tentacles around you, and that's it. You can use this for farming beequeen, or griefing. It's just tentacles.

Let's play - Opinions on Wickerbottom - Episode 2: This characters downsides are also good

Wickerbottom's downsides are an inability to sleep (unless forced asleep by another player, mandrake, bearger yawn, or a lunar thing) and spoiled food having increased penalties for her, making her combo with WX78 even more powerful back then due to his immunity to spoiled or stale food.

These downsides are really good and compliment her upsides well. Sure, you can make a bunch of food, but if it stales, you're in trouble. Sure, you can make more food, or use another of your books, but that requires sanity, which you can't easily regain by sleeping. It's a good balance.

Let's play - Opinions on Wickerbottom - This is the part where I rant about her problems

The big problem with Wicker isn't that she's not powerful enough or she's too powerful, the problem is that there's just not enough to her books. Yeah, she has 2 good ones in silvaculture and horticulture, and the sleepytime stories one is just a panflute, you can't go wrong with a panflute, but the other three books are just so situational it's ridiculous.

First of all, The End is Nigh. Lightning has no use (i think) in this game after the WX78 rework, since you can't overcharge with it anymore, all it can really do is provide a little light with the lightning rod, and that's it. On Tentacles is only good for farming and griefing, one of which should never be done, and the other is worthless because willow is a better griefer in every way possible. (/sarcasm, please don't grief,) Birds of the World is similarly niche because it has to have another book to even be useful, and the uses it does have is feather, meat, and krampus sack farming, and Klaus is better and just more fun for sacks (provided you're in winters feast and don't have to wait for every winter to kill him)

And you could make an argument that characters like Wolfgang or Wigfrid or Wendy are niche because all they do is kill things, or all Woodie and Max do is gather resources, but like, first of all, you're going to be killing things the entire game, and you'll always need resources, and second, these things don't take resources after every five enemies killed, or trees chopped, because Wicker's books have 5 uses, and then you're back to the swamp getting reeds (a hellish experience if you don't have a reed trap), or back to the beefalo for poop, or the birdcage for eggs, or whatever. 

Making wicker better would just be give her more books. Just give her more books. That's it. That's really all you need to do, just give her more books. I really can't think of anything else. Maybe make the books cheaper or give them more uses, I don't know. She just needs more books.

Too Ranty;Didn't Read: Wickerbottoms books are too situational, but other than that she's a good character.

I guess I'll have to go first, well here goes.

I don't...actually own the MacWolf costume set. But I'm working on it!

Combat has been the simple "hold () to attack" and kiting was made to ensure a safe fight against mobs. But its lacking and theres many ideas in my brain that the system could use (Im only gonna name one) balance not in mind so Im open to hearing suggestions.

The most classic idea that comes with to mind is blocking. Keeping the efficiency of kiting in mind, I do believe kiting should only have to be used against strong foes like bosses when getting hit massively crippling, however kiting smaller mobs just eats at time. Blocking can be used to fight the smaller creatures; like bats, hounds, spider warriors, etc. Blocking comes at the cost weapon durability for the reward of having a safety net from lag (hate getting hit from 10 yards) and not losing any possible hits from going back and forth to and from your target. Remember, blocking only works either against a certain damage threshold or only against mobs (not bosses). Different weapons could have different blocking affects too such as the darksword applying thorns damage or the bat bat giving some health after a successful block.

Next is, more emphasis on ranged attack. This is tricky because it should not be completely viable for a whole group to attack from afar as someone needs to tank or melee to keep agro. Blowdarts could make 8 darts per craft, do more damage, and...well honestly not much can be done for the blowdart. However magic and ranged could use more. ...but does anybody have some suggestions or ideas?

In november my pride and joy "The venting thread" died do to unfortunate circumstances i've always wanted to bring it back up especially since new updates have come out meaning there are more things to vent about. Please keep it on topic about dst this time and if a discussion gets derailed take it to dms.

Anyway with that lore out of the way i'll start. Where the hell is walters other eyebrow? did he shave it? is he going through a phase? and why is this only a problem with his snow fallen and base skin it's super weird and off putting to me. His hair in general weirds me out.

So, listen to this:

And now listen to the menu music that came with WX-78's rework:

I dunno, I'm not versed in music in any way - but why do I hear this weird similarity between them? Is it just me being weird (as usual)?

Ok, so you know those skins for Abigail? That change her flower and such? That's rad. That's cool. That's 1980s skater kinda stuff. That's what the cool kids are doing. I want that. I want more of that. I want to buy that. With money. Here's my pitch:

Skins for Woby. Skins for Merms. Skins for the Merm King. Hell, skins for spiders. Make skins for craftmerm houses and king tapestry that change the skin of the Merm that comes out of it or sits on it. Give me Abyssal Merms with fins. Goat Merms with horns. Halloween Merms with tentacles. A yellow king.

Do what you're doing with Abigail to Woby. Guest of Honor Woby with badges on her. Survivor Woby covered in grass.

Give an auxiliary use to the den decorator for Webber. Have it change the look of the spiders that come out based on the skin it has. Survivor spiders that are all bandaged up with web. Make the homespun spiders brown (obviously warrior spiders would be a noticably different shade or color so you can easily tell them apart) with scarves knitted for them by Webber. Just port the magmatic spiders from forge S2 straight to normal dst.

I would be the happiest guy around if this was done. I would also be the brokest guy around.

I can't help but be reminded of Diablo, Lord of Terror whenever I look at the new Gothic skin for the Wardrobe. Anyone else see it too?

I mean it's all there. the shape of the horns, the "soulstone" , the feet. the claws

Hey everyone! I noticed that there's a buttload of new memes and no place to put them. Post them here for people to see (and so we can stop clogging up the puzzle thread). Enjoy!

Edit: Also, the memes don't have to be Maxwell themed. All characters are welcome. This is merely a sequel of a previous meme thread.

I just wanted to make a thread on DST's art. First, IT IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. It is extremelly unique and fun to look at! Here's some of the best original art style i could find! 

I mean just look at it. THAT IS DST ART AT ITS BEST

WX testing his new Speed circuit!

Just... OMG I LOVE THIS FRAME.

And this bird.. Chester.. ripoff

Now of course the Klei doesn't use this art style anymore. Here's some of the highlights from the newer art style which is still pretty good! 

The aesthetic for this one is just INSANE

Fun Fact: Klei based this one off of the communitys reaction to the wolfgang rework!

IDK I just really like this frame.

Of course Alter with his lemon eye! (all seriousness this was a pretty insane looking short! 

Poor Wilson.. he found out hes getting a rework

Of course Id include the archives! I mean this is a really underrated scene.

The flip Wilson you gave the small child no winter gear or thermal?

 You think I would forget this?

Dont Starve has some of the best art in any game I have ever seen. Its really unique and while some people dont like the new art style, its still pretty good! Theres lots of more other insanely good art out there I just picked the ones that I feel are more underrated and the artists at Klei keep up the good work! Klei is one of the best companies out there and I cant wait to see the next update! I really like the way the newer animations have better visual effects and still feel DST! I really cant applaud Klei enough for such awesome work!

BUT WHAT THE HELL IS THIS KLEI

我喜欢蜻蜓，所以我希望它有一个背景故事，And I wish klei can make many and wonderful stories whose big bosses.maybe my English is very bad.

Just a little niche suggestion.

What about add a cabbage? Another crop to make game a bit "wider".

So cabbage. Grow in Summer, Fall and Winter. Restore 2 manure, take 1 gr formula and 1 compost. (Like tomato. Paired with potato for the winter).

Stats:

Raw: 30 hunger, 0 hp, 0 sanity.

Fried: 20 hunger, 10 hp,  0 sanity.

Normal full grows cabbage looks like normal white cabbage. Giant - like Chinese cabbage or  Brussels sprouts.

New Crockpot dishes:

Borsch - my national dish.

Made of cabbage, potato, tomato and one big meat (monster or normal).

Restore 200 hunger (so it's really usable only for few characters), 10 health and 15 sanity. Spoil in 40 long days.

It can also have a little tweak - once cooked restore only 100 or 50 hunger, but with the time (few days) this number grows up to 200.

Please, leave your crops or dishes in the comments)

Everyone has their quarrels with one or some characters and their own reasons why. So tell me, what character do you dislike, and why? If you dislike multiple characters you can list them too. Ill respond to certain replies with questions if Im interested (:

(Mostly doing this cause Wendy is awesome and Im curious of people thoughts towards her).